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    what makes negative/stereotypical music more enjoyable than positive/lyrical music?

    how will this effect the future outkast,gheto boys,common,queen lafiah,ras kass,ice cube,public enemy's, chances to shine in the new swag music business?


    I was listening to waka flocka,project pat,Irv gotti and other in the music industry. they said that people don't want to hear lyrical content, or music that has a message.

    they said when you coming home from work or school you are tired or stress out and all you want to do is relax,go to the bar and party. they said people don't want to come and hear about the struggle,problems of the world or music that makes you think or that is lyrical.

    project pat said, that when girls go to the club they don't want to hear all the lyrical rapping or a story telling that took place in your life. they want to hear some shake yo ass, make it rain, fucking music. they want to hear some swag rap. he said girls and the rap audience want to know if you got swag, how many hoes,cars, and how much money you got. or how that trap music.

    waka flocka said nobody wanna hear dat lyrical, punchline,moviating rap no mo. people struggling to survive and got it hard out here. they just wanna dance,party and have fun.



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    when i was working at goodwill girls on the bus told my co worker and me that our music is too much to comprehend. we was rapping fast and that we need to slow it down.


    when i was rapping my song to some elementary kids at the library. they said it was tight but they want to hear some lil wanye t-pain music. i said if i make hat type would y'all buy it. they said yeah.

    well i be damn! hip hop is dead y'all!
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    I honestly ask this question myself frequently. But I think it has to do with the vibe of the actual music and not the lyrics. Cuz people don't memorize or really hear the lyrics the first time they listen, they just vibin to the overall track. A lot of the "positive" or conscious hip hop shit has boom bap, out of date beats. It's like I listen to this heavy metal band called Soulfly, and if u just heard the music which is really really really hard, you'd prolly think it's some devil shit cuz it's extremely fast and heavy metal vibes but the lead singer is considered the "Bob Marley of Metal" since his lyrics are actually mad spiritual and positive. And that's why I like it. It's still really hard and he screams in anger but about the injustices of the world, not cuz his girlfriend left him or w/e lol.

    I think its the same in hip hop. If you took Waka's beats and added a dope emcee to em, people would listen to it. I think the positive rappers needa just make better music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    I think the positive rappers needa just make better music.
    all that needs 2 be said but its alot of them who are tho
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    Same way most of us get more interested in an rated R film compared to PG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    I think its the same in hip hop. If you took Waka's beats and added a dope emcee to em, people would listen to it. I think the positive rappers needa just make better music.

    That's what I have told my boy for a few years.. the best way for "conscience" rap to come back is to slap it over a Lex Luger/Drumma Boy/Mike Will or whoever the hot producer is at the time... that type of rap these days is too niche to really blow up off in these environment. True fans will buy it but typically unless you have a Tech N9ne following you can't blow up

    Look at the old outkast... the old Goodie Mob... banging beats + lyrics to boot. "Cell Therapy" is a straight conscience rap song that was a club banger. Same with "They Don't Dance No Mo".
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    We wanna hear a good beat and lyrics we can relate to.
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    people over think stuff like this. it's all about supply/demand and how the taste of the public shifts. this happens in all industries/businesses/arts. just look at painting for instance. when picasso was around cubism was the shit; before that it was very realistic religious themed paintings; and then for a certain time it was all about abstract etc. same way with rap. in the 80s/90s it was all about real life, lyricism, storytelling, conscious rap. nowadays it's about borderline homosexuality, niggas acting like bitches and bitches acting like niggas, and trying to convince everyone that you got 7 rolls royce phantoms - one for every day of the week - parked in your garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    I honestly ask this question myself frequently. But I think it has to do with the vibe of the actual music and not the lyrics. Cuz people don't memorize or really hear the lyrics the first time they listen, they just vibin to the overall track. A lot of the "positive" or conscious hip hop shit has boom bap, out of date beats. It's like I listen to this heavy metal band called Soulfly, and if u just heard the music which is really really really hard, you'd prolly think it's some devil shit cuz it's extremely fast and heavy metal vibes but the lead singer is considered the "Bob Marley of Metal" since his lyrics are actually mad spiritual and positive. And that's why I like it. It's still really hard and he screams in anger but about the injustices of the world, not cuz his girlfriend left him or w/e lol.

    I think its the same in hip hop. If you took Waka's beats and added a dope emcee to em, people would listen to it. I think the positive rappers needa just make better music.
    i curious to know. give your explanation of "better music." don't mean to be rude but what makes tyga faded,Y.C.,future, 2chainz riot and cashing out (well i can why people like dat song it is pretty catchy welly written.) any better say a daivd banner 9h wonder,big krit, and other real hip hop acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butta View Post
    all that needs 2 be said but its alot of them who are tho
    what could real hip hop artist do to gain the mainstream fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAPostedUp View Post
    Same way most of us get more interested in an rated R film compared to PG.
    lol! a film doesn't have to contains blood and gore or adult themes to be good appealing to teens and adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.B. View Post
    We wanna hear a good beat and lyrics we can relate to.
    lol! future,2 chainz, Lil wanye,rocko,t.i., y'all can relate too. y'all must be some wealthy or rich niggas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 614/706/334 View Post
    what could real hip hop artist do to gain the mainstream fans.
    first all hip hop is real hip hop...

    and if u mean what can a conscience rapper do 2 sell records, i would say dominate there lane..Its alot of conscience rap fans so make music that they will love instead of trying to make your sound more mainstream..Basically fuck mainstream
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    Quote Originally Posted by superlative View Post
    people over think stuff like this. it's all about supply/demand and how the taste of the public shifts. this happens in all industries/businesses/arts. just look at painting for instance. when picasso was around cubism was the shit; before that it was very realistic religious themed paintings; and then for a certain time it was all about abstract etc. same way with rap. in the 80s/90s it was all about real life, lyricism, storytelling, conscious rap. nowadays it's about borderline homosexuality, niggas acting like bitches and bitches acting like niggas, and trying to convince everyone that you got 7 rolls royce phantoms - one for every day of the week - parked in your garage.
    I am just waiting on the shift to occur again...
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    No one cares if it's "positive" or "negative" as much as they do that it's appealing to begin with. it HAS to appeal to it's target audience otherwise get it the fuck outta here. Who cares if you don't fuck with "The Motto" or "Rack City"? the strip clubs DO -- that's who it was intended for and on those grounds the shit hit home runs. Niggas judgin' Strip Club Music all harshly & shit in they livin' rooms eatin' crumpets & egg mcmuffin's lookin' for social commentary and shit.

    Because let's be honest, there isn't a lot of "violence" taking place in a Drake, Nicki Minaj or Lil Wayne song. Sexual and Homosexual over/undertones, sure but hardcore violence? No. NaS, and Ice Cube have killed FAR more people on wax than Wayne, and Drake have. Nicki's music isn't even anywhere near as sexually-charged as Rihanna's. Nowhere near Trina's or Lil Kim's. She's a tease, like Mariah Carey or Madonna.

    Not everybody is going to be a fan of everything. with the internet anybody can have an audience/market, (however "big" that audience is, is another discussion). Odd Future is proof of this. niggas eatin big husky cockroaches and shit in they videos. Somewhere, some weird ass white boys (and socially out-of-place suburban black kids) thought that shit was cool and vulia, a creep-cult following was born. Same with Lecrae and all those other Gospel Rap artists. It's about relating to the people who love what you do, if there is a niche for you then find it.


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    Now the shit you let them hoes hear or whatever probably sounded like some old 90's shit. I mean, that's iight . . . but if you know you make some shit that is an acquired taste don't get mad when people who ONLY listen to music propelled by Radio and Viacom reject it because it isn't what they expected.

    Also, niggas are not obligated to give a fuck just because "how well" you can rap. Yall missed that era. that shit was almost 20-30 years ago. pretty sure yall niggas ain't listening to Canibus or K-Rino in yall's free-time right? because from a technical standpoint nobody is doing what they doing.

    yall care about me being a Jazz Pianist?
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    yall care how I stay up to 6am turnin down all kinds of pussy because I wanna hit them chords on that Fender Rhodes?

    Nall I ain't think yall did. so why should I care about someone's "technical skills"(LOL!) of stringing endless punchlines together if they can't make good music? Niggas can out-rap Future all day long but if you can't capture the amount of fans and followers he has through you own music then hush, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 614/706/334 View Post
    lol! a film doesn't have to contains blood and gore or adult themes to be good appealing to teens and adults.
    Im just saying its entertainment. Just because I listen to 2 Chainz Riot, it does not mean I want to start a riot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Godzilla View Post
    Now the shit you let them hoes hear or whatever probably sounded like some old 90's shit. I mean, that's iight . . . but if you know you make some shit that is an acquired taste don't get mad when people who ONLY listen to music propelled by Radio and Viacom reject it because it isn't what they expected.

    Also, niggas are not obligated to give a fuck just because "how well" you can rap. Yall missed that era. that shit was almost 20-30 years ago. pretty sure yall niggas ain't listening to Canibus or K-Rino in yall's free-time right? because from a technical standpoint nobody is doing what they doing.

    yall care about me being a Jazz Pianist?
    yall care about me being a Contemporary/Blues Guitarist?
    yall care about me being a Jazz Musician in general?
    yall care how good I draw them note-heads when I be writin music down?
    yall care how I stay up to 6am turnin down all kinds of pussy because I wanna hit them chords on that Fender Rhodes?

    Nall I ain't think yall did. so why should I care about someone's "technical skills"(LOL!) of stringing endless punchlines together if they can't make good music? Niggas can out-rap Future all day long but if you can't capture the amount of fans and followers he has through you own music then hush, lol.
    I care about all that shit, but then again I come from a long lineage of jazz musicians. But I understand your point. If the music don't sound good, what you're saying isn't gonna save it. It's music.. not a literary class. It's gotta sound good first and foremost.

    Good case would be Common or Kanye. They've had tremendous careers and at first did very conscious music, almost exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Godzilla View Post

    No one cares if it's "positive" or "negative" as much as they do that it's appealing to begin with. it HAS to appeal to it's target audience otherwise get it the fuck outta here. Who cares if you don't fuck with "The Motto" or "Rack City"? the strip clubs DO -- that's who it was intended for and on those grounds the shit hit home runs. Niggas judgin' Strip Club Music all harshly & shit in they livin' rooms eatin' crumpets & egg mcmuffin's lookin' for social commentary and shit.

    Because let's be honest, there isn't a lot of "violence" taking place in a Drake, Nicki Minaj or Lil Wayne song. Sexual and Homosexual over/undertones, sure but hardcore violence? No. NaS, and Ice Cube have killed FAR more people on wax than Wayne, and Drake have. Nicki's music isn't even anywhere near as sexually-charged as Rihanna's. Nowhere near Trina's or Lil Kim's. She's a tease, like Mariah Carey or Madonna.

    Not everybody is going to be a fan of everything. with the internet anybody can have an audience/market, (however "big" that audience is, is another discussion). Odd Future is proof of this. niggas eatin big husky cockroaches and shit in they videos. Somewhere, some weird ass white boys (and socially out-of-place suburban black kids) thought that shit was cool and vulia, a creep-cult following was born. Same with Lecrae and all those other Gospel Rap artists. It's about relating to the people who love what you do, if there is a niche for you then find it.

    yeah i hate to admit but you right. maybe lyrical or real hip hop would be better fit in films,tv shows, and commericals. i be hearing TV commercial be using old school rap tunes in there videos. like mc hammer can't touch this and bust a move.

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    Thread starter should focus on educating himself first before he worries about what music people listen to. I cant take anyone serious with that many spelling/grammatical errors.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 614/706/334 View Post
    yeah i hate to admit but you right. maybe lyrical or real hip hop would be better fit in films,tv shows, and commericals. i be hearing TV commercial be using old school rap tunes in there videos. like mc hammer can't touch this and bust a move.
    i dont know y u saying real hiphop like being lyrical is more hiphop than making up a dance or new trend, really if u think about it should be the other way around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Godzilla View Post
    Now the shit you let them hoes hear or whatever probably sounded like some old 90's shit. I mean, that's iight . . . but if you know you make some shit that is an acquired taste don't get mad when people who ONLY listen to music propelled by Radio and Viacom reject it because it isn't what they expected.

    Also, niggas are not obligated to give a fuck just because "how well" you can rap. Yall missed that era. that shit was almost 20-30 years ago. pretty sure yall niggas ain't listening to Canibus or K-Rino in yall's free-time right? because from a technical standpoint nobody is doing what they doing.

    yall care about me being a Jazz Pianist?
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    yall care how I stay up to 6am turnin down all kinds of pussy because I wanna hit them chords on that Fender Rhodes?

    Nall I ain't think yall did. so why should I care about someone's "technical skills"(LOL!) of stringing endless punchlines together if they can't make good music? Niggas can out-rap Future all day long but if you can't capture the amount of fans and followers he has through you own music then hush, lol.
    damn k=rino though

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    Quote Originally Posted by butta View Post
    i dont know y u saying real hiphop like being lyrical is more hiphop than making up a dance or new trend, really if u think about it should be the other way around

    You are right... the original hip hop songs were party/chant and response songs... lyrical content didn't introduced/become important until the 80's with Kool Moe Dee
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    Quote Originally Posted by YaBoyP662 View Post
    You are right... the original hip hop songs were party/chant and response songs... lyrical content didn't introduced/become important until the 80's with Kool Moe Dee
    you right but it was still rap and hip hop. and it was still positive or social concess! perfect example kurtis blow da breaks, whodini friends and grandmaster flash. even 2 live crew and sir mix alot was still hip hop. it was just party hip hop. they was still rapping and flowing and storytelling. it wasn't no pop techno or auto tune shit. or some music you would hear from europe.

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    Awe shit, I thought dis was gone b about nolimit n cashmoney beef

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