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    Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

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    Flood Of Immigrants To Long Island Sparks Tension

    by Ari Shapiro
    November 19, 2009

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    For decades, the eastern half of Long Island swam in a sea of red sauce. Italian restaurants dotted nearly every strip mall. Now, the mozzarella has some competition.

    A recent TV spot that aired in Long Island shows three men sitting around a deli table. The first says in a thick Long Island accent, \"Are you kidding? Mi Ranchito has the best pupusas!\" The second man indignantly shoots back, \"Whadda you know? You think Carleone's has the best empanadas!\"

    That public service announcement lightheartedly calls for harmony between whites and Hispanics in a community where a flood of immigrants from Latin America has created tension and sometimes violence.

    One year ago, an Ecuadorean day laborer named Marcelo Lucero was stabbed to death. The defendants are seven high school students who said they went out about once a week looking for immigrants to bash. They called it \"beaner hopping.\"

    According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Suffolk County's Hispanic population has grown by 40 percent since the millennium. In many towns, a sight has become common that was rare a decade ago: groups of men standing on street corners, waiting for work.

    Suffolk covers the half of Long Island farthest from New York City. It includes summer towns where celebrities own multimillion dollar weekend homes, and working-class villages where people raise their families.

    Farmingville, N.Y.
    Louise Scarola lives in one of those villages, a town of 17,000 called Farmingville.

    \"I won't really go to a 7-Eleven where there's 50, 60 guys standing out there in the morning,\" Scarola said on a recent walking tour of her neighborhood. \"I'm just not comfortable with that.\"

    She and her husband share a modest house with two dogs on a quiet street. She points to a crumbling shell of a home where, she says, 64 people lived in a 900-square-foot house. The landlord took in $10,000 a month and rented beds out in shifts.

    \"Somebody got a bed for so many hours a day, and somebody else got that same bed for so many others,\" Scarola says. Because there was only one toilet in the house, people used the backyard. \"So there were multiple holes dug that people would urinate and defecate in.\"

    The town eventually cracked down on this landlord and others who were doing the same thing, but Scarola says there are still crowded homes in the neighborhood.

    Signs of the immigrant tide are everywhere. Down the street, a few dozen men gather around a truck. Representatives from a Spanish language church are handing out hot chocolate and brochures.

    When Scarola asks whether they have anything in English, the man haltingly replies that their handouts are only in Spanish. Scarola wishes them luck, and the man replies, \"God bless you.\"

    \"I don't have anything against these people,\" says Scarola. \"They're human beings like you and me. They're not subhumans because they come over the border to make a better life and help their families.\"

    Scarola says that when people in her neighborhood do a home renovation, they don't necessarily seek out a contractor who only uses documented workers. Instead, they go for the cheapest price they can find, regardless of who's doing the work.

    \"Then these may be the same people that are out there screaming, 'Deport them.' So it gets to be hypocritical,\" Scarola says. \"I mean, obviously [immigrants] wouldn't be here if there weren't jobs for them.\"

    That is the crux of the issue, says Matthew Crosson. He's president of the Long Island Association, a consortium of businesses and community groups that promotes development in the region. From a business perspective, Crosson says, immigrants keep Long Island's economy afloat. He argues that without them, countless restaurants and landscaping businesses would close.

    \"The reality is, given the outflow of younger people on Long Island, those jobs simply would not be done in this community,\" he says. \"Anybody who says that there are plenty of Long Islanders who could be filling those jobs is just incorrect factually. That is not the case.\"

    'This Is My Community'
    Elaine Kahl does not dispute that argument. But, she says, \"If we need people here, we do it legally.\"

    Kahl grew up in Suffolk County, and she is now co-chair of a group called The Suffolk County Coalition for Legal Immigration/No Amnesty. She wants every worker to be documented.

    Kahl lives in the vacation mecca of Southampton. It's a playground for the rich and famous, with huge lawns and swimming pools that need a lot of maintenance. In the past, high-schoolers might have done those jobs, but Crosson says that's no longer the case.

    \"Things have changed,\" says Crosson. \"Kids don't go running around mowing lawns, and you don't get kids who are going to bury their arms up to their elbows in hot dishwater.\"

    Kahl is disturbed by the changes to her community. \"Where is it written that people can just come in and sit down and settle in, and not be accountable to anybody?\" she asks.

    \"I believe that what we're on a path for here is very frightening,\" Kahl says. \"The end of that path is mob rule — complete breakdown of our society.\"

    With strong voices on both sides of the immigration divide, a cold Thursday night in Farmingville found a group of whites and Latinos standing side by side, just struggling to get by.

    The group Food not Bombs hands out fresh groceries here once a week. There are boxes full of pomegranates, bananas, broccoli and cauliflower — roughly 2,000 pounds of food on this night, all donated by local farms and supermarkets.

    There are at least as many people speaking English as Spanish. One woman pulls a birthday cake out of a box and asks whether anyone is having a birthday. Jon Stepanian, another volunteer, oversees a box full of dairy products. \"This is plain yogurt,\" he says to a Hispanic mother carrying a young child. \"You can mix in different flavors, like strawberries or whatever.\"

    When Stepanian helped start this program in June, he had no intention of engaging in an immigration debate. The debate found him.

    \"The first woman that drove up said, 'This is great bread!' and she started putting bread in her bag,\" says Stepanian. \"She started talking to us, and she goes, 'Do you feed the illegals?' We said, 'We feed everybody. The food's free. We think food's a right.' She goes, 'You can't do that, though. This is my community!' \"

    The situation became tense. The woman eventually called the police, and the police said the group could stay.

    Acts Of Violence
    Immigrant rights activists in Suffolk County say Latinos have grown accustomed to a low-grade hostility. People spit and shout at immigrants. Day laborers who ride bicycles say cars have driven them off the side of the road.

    Speaking in Spanish at a hiring site for day laborers, an immigrant from Guatemala named Giovanni Garcia described injuring his hand while loading a trailer at a work site.

    \"My boss told me if I took him to court he'd call immigration to have me deported,\" Garcia says. \"I told him, 'Bring it on.' My boss didn't call immigration and didn't pay for my medical treatment. I had to pay for it.\"

    There are also high-profile acts of violence. Two immigrants were beaten nearly to death in 2000. A few years later, attackers firebombed a Mexican family's house. The violence seemed to culminate with the Marcelo Lucero murder, almost exactly one year ago. Now the Justice Department is looking into whether the local police have a pattern of ignoring hate crime allegations.

    That investigation is the subject of Part 2 of this story, on All Things Considered.

    This piece was produced for broadcast by Marisa Penaloza.
    What kind of an idiot calls the police on someone giving out food to the needy..

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    Re: Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

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    Do Long Island Police Ignore Hate Crimes?

    by Ari Shapiro



    November 19, 2009

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    Second of a two-part report
    On a cold November night in Patchogue, Long Island, about 200 immigrants, activists and clergy cluster around a small stage. Hanging over an arrangement of candles in the shape of a peace sign, a poster shows a smiling 37-year-old man named Marcelo Lucero. He was an immigrant from Ecuador who was stabbed to death on this site one year ago.



    Lucero's mother, Rosario, has flown in from Ecuador to mark the anniversary of her son's killing. In a quavering voice, she says in Spanish, \"The pain that I feel, God will take care of this. I don't feel any hate, nor revenge.\"

    The defendants in the crime are a group of high school students who have said they were out to bash immigrants on a night of what they called \"beaner hopping.\" In this community where the Latino population has grown 40 percent since the new millennium, immigrant advocates say the Lucero murder was the culmination of a growing pattern of immigrant abuse and mistreatment.

    Now the Justice Department is investigating whether Suffolk County police here have a pattern of ignoring hate crimes.

    Building Bridges
    \"This is the place where he was bleeding most,\" Joselo Lucero said in an interview shortly before the vigil, pointing to the stain on the sidewalk where his brother died.

    Joselo has lived in Patchogue for 14 years, as thousands of undocumented workers transformed this community. Immigrants have always been afraid that if they report violence, they'll be deported, he says.

    \"When I found out my brother got killed for no reason, the first thing I thought was, I'm not going to let it happen any more,\" Joselo says.

    A police car rolls by and, noticing people talking with microphones and headsets, the officer rolls down his window.

    \"Hi, there. How you doing?\" asks Officer Victor Cruz.

    Cruz clearly knows who Joselo is. The two men chat in Spanish about plans for the evening's vigil.

    Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer hopes to see more interactions like this one.

    \"It's common sense that if someone is here — if they're undocumented — they don't want to deal with government, they don't want to deal with police,\" says Dormer. \"We understand that. That's why building the bridges to this community is so important.\"

    After the Lucero killing, Dormer promoted an officer named Lola Quesada to be his point person on immigrant issues.

    \"Nothing is easy when it comes to trust,\" Quesada says.

    Even when she convinces immigrants to trust her, they may be reluctant to trust the police department as an institution.

    \"Sometimes they call me on their cell phone to my cell phone\" for greater anonymity, Quesada says. \"They usually ask me, 'I'm having trouble with this,' and then I tell them, 'OK, I understand your concern, but I want you to call 911.' \"

    While the police say they are working hard to build bridges to the immigrant community, some immigrant leaders don't see it.

    A Violent Consequence?
    \"There is a lot of talking, but we would like to see the result,\" says Matilde Parada. Ten years ago, she created the group Human Solidarity to advocate for undocumented workers.

    \"Politicians don't teach to tolerate the immigrants,\" says Parada. \"They bring a hate message to the community. And that's why Marcelo Lucero was killed.\"

    She sees a direct link between anti-immigration rhetoric and anti-immigrant violence. The man she blames most is the area's top elected official, County Executive Steve Levy.

    Levy has taken a strong stance against illegal immigration, but he rejects efforts to connect those policy positions with acts of violence against Hispanics.

    \"It's a real disservice to try to say these things only happen in those areas where there might be a debate over the issue of illegal immigration,\" says Levy. \"It's dangerous, because it gives the impression that if you don't have a debate over illegal immigration, Latinos are safe. That's not necessarily true.\"

    Levy points out that even cities that welcome illegal immigrants struggle with crimes of racial hatred.

    But Phil Ramos, who represents eastern Long Island in the New York State Assembly, says Levy does not appreciate that his words have violent consequences.

    \"If you say the word 'illegal' enough times as buzzwords in your speeches, these people cease to be human beings,\" says Ramos. \"And that's what leads a group of six or seven young men to hunt an Ecuadorean man on the street like an animal, and just stab him and kill him.\"

    Ramos was a police officer here for 20 years before he retired and ran for public office.

    In 2000, he investigated a major hate crime against immigrants.
    \"It was like something out of a horror movie,\" Ramos recalls. \"Two day laborers were picked up off the street, promised a job, they were brought to an abandoned factory, and they were ordered to dig two holes. And those two holes were to be their graves.\"

    The men were nearly clubbed to death. They eventually escaped.

    The official number of hate crimes in Suffolk County has dropped in the past decade. But Ramos says that's because the police feel pressure not to report incidents.

    \"I know the procedures from within,\" he says. \"You have elected officials pressuring the police department to keep the numbers low, because if hate crime numbers go up, those elected officials are going to get blamed for inflaming racist sentiment.\"

    Levy calls that accusation \"an outright lie.\"

    \"That's a pretty scurrilous statement,\" Levy says. \"If he has proof of that, go send it to the district attorney.\"

    This allegation is exactly what the Justice Department is investigating.

    A Government Probe
    In September, lawyers from the department's Civil Rights Division sent Levy a letter announcing what's known as a \"pattern or practice\" investigation. It's an inquiry into whether police here routinely mishandle hate crimes. These sorts of investigations are big — and under the Bush administration, they were rare. Generally these cases are solved through collaboration rather than court battles. The police commissioner and Levy both say they are eager to work with the Justice Department.

    For immigrants, the allegation that police ignore hate crimes is just one more reason to stay in the shadows.

    \"I live in fear. Everyone lives in fear because of what's happened here,\" says Mariano Barahona, a carpenter from Honduras.

    Speaking in Spanish, Barahona explains that he moved from Miami to Long Island despite his fear, because \"in Miami I was making $70 to 80 a day. Here, I make up to $150 to $160 a day.\"

    This is the deal immigrants make, says Sister Margaret Smyth, a Roman Catholic nun who works in the immigrant community. You get work, but you may also face discrimination or abuse.

    \"They accept it as part of the package that comes with having to live here,\" Smyth says.

    On a recent sunny afternoon, Smyth hands out lunches to people in need. She explains that immigrants experience abuse in many forms, not just violence. Slumlords may cram people into houses, or employers may refuse to pay workers.

    \"In the very beginning, practically nobody would ever tell me this,\" says Smyth. \"But now we've built up their strength because they see we can go after the employers.\"

    Chuckling, she says, \"We go after them all the time. The bosses call us up, some of them, and scream at us and call us names.\"

    Smyth even framed a letter on top of her desk where one employer called her \"a misguided older nun.\"

    \"I love it!\" she says with a burst of laughter.

    Life for immigrants on Long Island may in fact be changing. That's Joselo Lucero's hope, too.

    \"We always have a second chance here,\" he said at his brother's vigil. \"We always try to prove we can change.\"

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    Re: Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

    yeah, i know/knew a couple illegals here that have gotten fucked out of pay, scammed for extra deposits on rent or thrown out of apts
    one guy i know got royally fucked when his employer (a club) pinned some bullshit on him so they wouldn't have to take the fall for it. spent time in jail and almost got deported back to a country he hasn't even seen in 20 years luckilly he got that shit sorted out. but people be fuckin' w/ illegals all the time
    i use to get fucked with from time to time in mex people are assholes everywhere


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    Re: Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

    It's hilarious how white people are afraid of violence from immigrants...

    Ya'll have no sense of history do ya'll?

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    Re: Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

    Quote Originally Posted by King Koopa View Post
    It's hilarious how white people are afraid of violence from immigrants...

    Ya'll have no sense of history do ya'll?
    History repeats itself, so at least we're smart enough to see it coming...lol.

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    Re: Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

    I thinks its mainly cuz people arent used to seeing Mexicans and Central Americans up here in the east coast,so they tend to be hostile towards them cuz they dont want them flooding us like they flood cali and texas and what not.

    also they tend to live a certain way like 30 people(literally) in a 3 bedroom,standing around home depot looking for work.

    They also cant stand blacks and black hispanic people so there's tension there as well not just with whites.


    Its a real mess this isnt cali...They cant just change things like they do over there.Alot of people hate them even other hispanics.

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    Re: Flood of Immigrants to Long Island Sparks Tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Blake Buttersfeild View Post
    I thinks its mainly cuz people arent used to seeing Mexicans and Central Americans up here in the east coast,so they tend to be hostile towards them cuz they dont want them flooding us like they flood cali and texas and what not.

    also they tend to live a certain way like 30 people(literally) in a 3 bedroom,standing around home depot looking for work.

    They also cant stand blacks and black hispanic people so there's tension there as well not just with whites.


    Its a real mess this isnt cali...They cant just change things like they do over there.Alot of people hate them even other hispanics.
    yes puerto ricans & mexicans despise each other, cubans and hondurans abhor each other and they all loathe niggers and nigger like latinos

    hell these white people here need to give it up already they're taking their land back

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