INTERVIEW BY: C-4 Remember when Texas rapper Paul Wall dropped the line ďI got the internet goiní nutsĒ on Mike Jonesí 2004 hit single ďStill TippiníĒ? For San Franciscoís Messy Marv lately this has been true and then some as heís been buzzing like crazy on and off the internet for both good and bad reasons. People canít seem to keep his name out of their mouths and everybodyís got an opinion about him. One of the most popular artists and personalities from Northern California, he is no stranger to controversy. The 15+ year rap vet has consistently been one of the Bay Areaís top selling independent artists and maintains an ever growing and extremely loyal fanbase. Whether solo or in collaboration with other artists or record labels, Mess has released well over 40 album projects and made guest appearances on at least 100 others. His work with some of the biggest artists and producers in the industry including Grammy Award winners has also landed him on the Billboard Charts on more than a few occasions. But run-ins with the law, jail time and personal family drama have also helped to slow the progress of his career. Although he has stayed actively flooding the streets with material and has been the topic of just about everyoneís Bay Area rap conversation recently, itís been a while since the world has really seen Mess and heard something official drop from him. But rest assured he is hard at work and eagerly plotting his comeback. We caught up with The Boy Boy while he was at the gym, now part of his daily routine; he took the time to do this interview with us while playing 21 on the basketball court trying to get his body right for his full scale return to the entertainment industry. Now for the first time, Mess speaks out to the media publicly on some of his recent issues. We address in great detail almost all of the questions and concerns that people have had recently. And with that Mess pulls no punches in setting the record straight and clarifying the various topics including his highly anticipated first new official solo album in 5 years and developing Scalen LLC as a whole company with various divisions and not just a record label. Outside of Messy Marv the entertainer, we dive head first in to the controversies that have plagued him lately including his affiliations that people have questioned so much, the situations with San Quinn and The Click Clack Gang and the so overly hyped various beefs and where they stand right now. We also talk about Marv the man, his growth and changing his lifestyle and everyday routines. And with that we delve in to his past drug use and whether it was a serious problem. A direct cause and effect of his growth and change, he tells us how fulltime fatherhood has changed him and effects his decisions professionally and in his everyday life. He also speaks on maintaining his relationship with superstar songstress Keyshia Cole, whom he gave her first break in the music industry. We also discuss the state of the Bay Area and why Mess loves the current direction of the music industry overall. Believe me when I tell you, THIS IS the Messy Marv interview youíve been waiting for! Read on and find out why. Wassup Mess, itís been a minute, you good?
C wassup boy?? Shit Iím liviní nigga. Whatís haaatniní? It has been a minute. Iím great Blood, how you? Iím good, Iím parking the coupe right now, bout to run off in this gym and spank my intern in a little 21 you feel me? Ok well first off top, after youíve been in this entertainment industry for 15+ years and youíve established yourself, why would you choose to change your name now to The Boy Boy Young Mess?
You know what because itís a lot that came with Messy Marv and itís a lot that left too man. I transitioned in to this whole new nigga so I wanted to have a whole new entity Ďcause I was a whole new person. Whatís the difference between Messy Marv and The Boy Boy Young Mess?
The difference is growth man. You know I grew in to Messy Marv, but I grew out of that in to The Boy Boy. Iím still a young Mess nigga at the end of the day, but growth is what it is. I grew up I matured, Iíve got a little more money, got a little more problems. Iím growing with everything. Itís growth overall. Letís talk a little bit about the state of the Bay Area, where do you see the Bay at musically right now? Youíve been a part of this for so long, where do you think itís at and where do you think itís going?
I think we at the same place we was after the major deals were given out to the Bay Area elite, to the E-40ís, to the Too $hortís, to the Luniz, to whoever had a deal from the Bay Area and when that kicked off and where the Bay Area was. Now itís like we at the end of all that and we at a standstill, because when the deals was handed out nobody came back and hand-picked nobody to run that ball game with Ďem you feel me? So we just at a standstill right now. Do you feel like thereís any progress being made, or is the Bay going in the wrong direction?
No I definitely think thereís progress being made, you know everybody is doing what they need to do to solidify where we at as an area. You canít knock the new school Bay, the old school Bay, I think everybody is doing their part as far as what they can do. Itís a lot of people thatís content on where they are. Thatís what I mean by when I say that, they just doing what they feel like they can do. Itís a lot of people pretty much content where they are. Me myself, like I said I grew out of a lot of things, I love my home, Iím from the Bay Area Iím gonna bang the Bay Ďtil I die. But I couldnít get rich right there man, and Keyshia Cole couldnít get rich right there, 2Pac couldnít get rich right there, Lil Jon had to put E-40 on he couldnít get rich right there, Too $hort had to go to Atlanta he couldnít get rich right there. I mean the list goes on, Ya Boy had to go to L.A., he couldnít get rich right there. The list goes on so hey you grow out of a lot of things and you move on bra, but you never forget where you come from and you never let it hold you back. Youíve been one of the leaders in the Bay Area music scene for a while, you came up around the OGís, who do you like thatís coming up from the new younger generation?
I like all the new cats, I like all the new cats man. Anything thatís coming up out the Bay new, Iím digginí it, just because of the drive and what they represent. I might not dig the music too much or itís a certain sound or something I might not feel, but just in general as a whole, like the new Bay, Iím feeliní it, just the drive and the representiní, Iím feeliní that you know what I mean? But Iím a old school nigga, Iím a 80ís nigga, thereís a certain way 80ís niggas move. Thereís a certain way we move, a certain sound we bring, you know we dinosaurs my nigga so this is what we expect. We expect certain things, certain sounds, we expect a nigga to move a certain way. Thatís just coming from a dinosaur nigga man but Iím feeliní everything. Letís spread it out a little further, how do you feel about the music industry as a whole, do you feel like itís going in a bad direction?
You know what, the music industry as a whole, I feel like it ainít never been better. Youíve just got to move with the times. This shit ainít like the old school no more as far as the material, the getting out with the posters and the flyers and shit like that, man itís more of an internet or more of a wave now. It ainít been better, you gotta move with the times, the industry is good. If Wayne could come out and sell 5 million copies or whatever heís selling and Jigga and everybody that comes out in that same year can sell all them muthafuckiní copies, that lets you know thereís some money out here to be got you know? Theyíre utilizing their resources I guess, youíve got to utilize your resources and move with the times.
Thatís why Iím getting my internet and my online presence poppiní right now. Nobody ainít seen Mess, I reserve myself, I preserve myself, Iím getting my online shit poppiní so when I do come out theyíll respect it and theyíll appreciate it and theyíll give me what Iím asking for. Like Iím gonna give you a show but you gonna give me what Iím asking for. You got other artists from the area that tour the area and might do a verse for $500 and might do a show for $700, and you see him every night at the club and you might see him over here, I think I out grew that and I think a lot of people in our area out grew that too. But me myself, I reserve myself, I move with the times. Iím getting my online presence felt and Iím coming back man and Iím gonna wake the whole world up. So the industry couldnít be better as a whole, I love it. I get rich off this shit nigga Iím eatiní I canít be mad at the industry. It ainít never been better my nig. Iím makiní that bitch cum, Iím fuckiní the industry from the back right now independently, so why am I mad at that bitch? That bitch get off every time I stick my dick in that bitch that bitch go ĎOooohhhí. Weíve been talking about your comeback, not really a comeback since youíve never left, but your big return, and youíve been working hard on your company, Scalen LLC. Not just the record label but the clothing, film and more. Tell me about what youíve been working on with your company.
Scalen LLC, in general we are the past the present and the future of this Hip-Hop shit as far as the Bay Area as far as the West Coast, and this is my opinion. Iím the only CEO thatís taking it to this level, the young ghetto Russell Simmons for real man. I got the clothing line poppiní, Iíve got a lot of actors and actresses and a lot of international platinum superstars who put on my shirts and do the promo thing for me. Iím doing that, Iíve got a womenís line and a menís line. So, Iím getting that ready. Weíve got a film division. I just shot a movie that I produced and directed called ďAll Gas No BrakesĒ. I just shot a reality show that I produced and directed called ďMr. Ghetto CelebrityĒ. I just shot a documentary that I produced and I directed called ďGiganticĒ. We gone launch that this summer. On the entertainment side of things, I dropped everybody off the label. This is Scalen and you know me Iím gonna come out on the Mess hype nigga and we pushiní man, I mean skyís the limit bra. And Iíve got the 12 album disc Iím about to drop that you can only get online on my site for all the fans supporting me for so long. I put together a 12 album disc that they can get, as well as posters and T-Shirts and shit on the site. The 12 Album project is that all new material or what is it?
Itís a surprise man I canít put it out there like that but I know youíll only be able to get it online for the small price of hardly nothing. One click on the button and you gone be able to download 12 albums. Straight digital. Youíll be able to download the first episode of the ďMr. Ghetto CelebrityĒ reality show. Youíll be able to download the whole ďGiganticĒ documentary. Everything gone be ready for download. Iím getting my online game poppiní. People arenít used to talking to me and I ainít been as accessible so Iím building my foundation and youíll be able to come see us on www.scalenllc.com
until we get out here in this world and do this touring and shit. Youíve been accessible lately though, you got ahold of the Twitter and went crazy on there.
And you know what man, I was sleepiní on Twitter. Everybody kept wakiní me up wakiní me up wakiní me up, but I was still sleep on it right? So finally one day I was like let me get on and see what this shit is all about. I was talking to my internet marketer, he told me Ďto run a successful company, youíve got to be on 75 websites. Onlineí. It blew my mind. I said ďI ainít working with nothing but two, whatís haaatnin?Ē So he buzzed me in and I get on Twitter and in like the first two weeks I got 1,000 muthafuckiní followers and then the next week another 1,000 and then the next week another, Iíve only been on Twitter for a month and a half. Itís a good thing too, everybody is reaching out to me and itís all love. Theyíre giving me love and I love yíall right back, itís a good thing man. Talk a little bit about each part of your company. First letís talk about the clothing line, is it just typical with T-Shirts and Jeans or more than that?
You can expect the trendy, Iím keeping it trendy. Iím gonna keep it hood, but Iím gonna go for the multi-cultural look too as well. You know Iím gonna have the rib fitted Tís for the women, we got some nice shorts, a summer line coming. I got the T-Shirts for the men and the jeans. Iím just starting off with that, Iíve got the signature line and three other lines for the women. Then I have two or three for the men so every season Iíll be dropping something man. If you log on to Scalen youíll be able to see it. Itís gone be online and weíre getting the stores in our locator right now as we speak. Itís gone be alright man. We gone be in the malls, we gone be in the Macyís, in the trendy little boutiques. Iím just trying to figure out all the high end stores that I want my clothing in, and all of the hood stores to make it affordable for my people too. So we getting the locator ready right now. Now tell me about the film side, you talked about the movie, documentary and the reality show, tell me about those.
Right, weíre looking for distribution right now as far as the documentary is concerned, but the reality show we did the trailer. Itís about me in general, my life, you know ĎMr. Ghetto Celebrityí. Dealing with me being a father, me being an entertainer, me being a CEO, me being a real nigga at the end of the day. The man, the entertainer, the father. We pitched it, we got a couple offers. Since you brought up fatherhood, let me ask you about that a little bit. How does being a father effect how you carry yourself and the decisions you make as an entertainer and in your character in the industry?
You know what, it effects every move I make. Because if I make one move, later on in life Iím gonna have to explain to mine why I made that move and why I put it out there like that. So every move counts. It definitely changed my whole life around man. Iíve got custody of mine so you know Iím a father for real. I ainít the father going to pick mine up, mine live with me. So it changed my whole life around. Itís making me work harder and grind even harder too. You stay active, you appear on tracks and projects, you do collaboration projects and youíve dropped mixtapes, but itís been a long time since weíve heard something official from you. Whatís taking so long for you to put out something official, to release a real official Messy Marv album?
Iíve got several situations on the table right now so what Iíve been doing is, I created a bidding war and then I told my lawyer to just let everything sit until I build my foundation and build my worth and my company worth up, and then we gone start all over again. I got some pretty nice numbers man, but at the end of the day Iím gonna build my company right back up to something even bigger than what they say Iím worth and then Iím gonna come right back. Thatís why I been warming the streets up with the mixtapes.
Iím about to drop ďHighly Aggressive Vol. 2Ē March 3rd. Iíve got the new LP coming called ďThe Cooking ChannelĒ. Iíve got a soundtrack to ďGiganticĒ. Iíve got a soundtrack to ďAll Gas No BrakesĒ coming. I got the 12 CD thatís only gonna be available online, they coming. So, Iím coming man! With all your negotiations, do you have a distribution situation for your label right now?
Thatís what I was trying to work out. It started from an artist standpoint and I tried to wiggle it to a label standpoint. So in order for me to wiggle that way I got to show them what Iím worth right now as far as a label. And thatís what Iím doing. Ok letís talk about your highly anticipated new solo album thatís finally coming out. Give us the title again and some info about it.
ďThe Cooking ChannelĒ Iím bringing it back to the trap man. The Boy Boy Young Mess, yíall ainít heard a real Mess album in about 4 years based on this little punk ass jail time in and out the county and doiní that ole punk ass shit. And being on my hype I ainít gave yíall no real Mess album, so this is gonna be the authentic Mess jump off, ďThe Cooking ChannelĒ. I got some nice features on the joint, but you know how I rock mine I donít really focus in on putting 12 niggas on my album to sell my album Ďcause Iím hot, black coffee. Itís gone be a well-rounded album. We gone have fun, we gone cry, we gone laugh. You donít want to speak about the features on the album, can you speak on the production side?
I really donít wanna speak on that either yet. Youíre getting ready to release some singles from the album right?
Yeah Iíve got 3 singles man. One is called ďThe D-BoyĒ, The Boy Boy Young Mess ďThe D-BoyĒ, gone be bananas my nigga. Big E that produced ďMy DougieĒ, he produced that song, and itís kind of on that same hype. I did the remix with Lil Wil, I fucked with them Dallas niggas for a minute, I got on they hype, Iím like ďoow I need one of these in my lifeĒ. Big E did the beat kind of like on the same hype Ďmy dougie, my dougieí, just kind of on that same hype for the hood niggas the d-boys when they get in the club and they workiní they 2-step nigga! Yeeaah!
Iím coming with that then Iím gonna hit they ass over the head with the me and Keyshia Cole joint ďLove SomebodyĒ. Straight for the females. For the niggas too Ďcause sheís coming from a womanís perspective and Iím coming from a trapstar perspective. Real big. Plus I got the street banger ďPhillip DrummondĒ coming too. When can we expect the album to come out?
Iím trying to figure that out now, but itís definitely gone drop this year. 2010. Everything that I named is dropping in 2010. Since you mentioned her, talk about Keyshia Cole a little bit. Itís widely known that you were the first artist to put her on a song, to put money in her pocket to get down on the mic. Youíve maintained your relationship with her, talk about that.
Man Keyshia is so remarkable, not only a remarkable artist but sheís a remarkable person. She knows where she comes from, sheíll never forget where she comes from. She got her own personal issues that she deals with that have been publicized now as far as her family and the reality shows, and still at the end of the day she still walks around with her head up high. Remarkable person man, remarkable team, Manny. Itís all good, sheís doing her thing, Iím doing mine, we met in the middle and here you have it voila. DíWayne Wiggins produced the beat, itís over. There isnít really a time frame on the album yet, when can we expect the singles to come out?
The singles, I should surface something within the next 60 days, maybe like in the spring time. Spring Iím gonna start releasing these singles. You just recently started an Internet Radio Show, and itís classic Mess, itís some funny shit you know youíre a fool on there.
[Laughs] Hey you know what Blood, ďDonít Make Me Go Der RadioĒ it was inspired by me wanting to build my online presence you feel me? I talked to Yukmouth and his team at Yukmouthís Smoke-A-Lot Radio and they were telling me how easy it was. I said fuck it, Iím gonna do some shit and Iím just gonna be Mess. Nigga this is another side of Mess, people always see the serious side, but Mess is really like ďbitch if you show up and you all bad, Iím gonna be like you all bad. Bitch take them dirty ass socks offĒ. And I wanted to let the world see another side of me. No guests, I donít need nobody calling in, I donít need none of that shit, Iím gonna rock this shit out myself with my team, with the character that I already am. Iím a hilarious nigga like that Blood you feel me? I could be laughing right now and then snap off and say Ďtake your chain off nigga!í I ainít trippiní Iím a human being my nigga, thatís whatís wrong with niggas these days they act too hard. Loosen up. Get a hug. Take a bath. The show is funny, Iíve listened to it a couple times.
Thank you Blood, itís growing too we got like 300 callers live on the last show. Iíve only done four shows and we got over 3,000 listeners so itís going good man. Itís going real good. Ok now letís get in to some of the burning questions that people have been wanting to know about. Of course people want to know about Messy Marv the music artist, but you have really been a major topic of conversation for the last couple of years for a few different reasons, some controversial and some not, some good and some bad, and youíve been involved in some problems within your family and your camp. First off, can you elaborate on your gang affiliation? It has been something that has raised a lot of questions.
Everybody knows, itís Blood. Itís Blood man. Itís gone be Blood and thatís what it is. Thatís what it is, there is nothing for me to explain. You know what it is, thatís what time it is, itís Blood. Itís Bay Area, Iím a Fillmoe nigga and Iím pushiní with what Iím pushiní with, and thatís what it is you know? And Iíve been pushiní with this, itís just that somehow when I got out this time and I moved and I dropped everybody from the label and I stopped feeding a few niggas and I stopped dealing with a couple of other niggas, you know niggas put that out there like that. Man I always been showing up flamed up nigga representing what I been representing. The last live performance I did was The B.A.R.S. Awards. I showed up with 200 niggas, with my red rag in my muthafuckiní back pocket and my attorney. Letting you know what I am both ways, legally and otherwise. People donít doubt what flag it is you claim, but the biggest question I think most people have had is when did it come about because people have known Messy Marv for so many years but have never really known you to bang until recently?
If you listen to these earlier albums man and really listen to what Iím saying ďIím a ĎBí Boy but IÖĒ you got to listen to what Iím saying. Niggas just ainít gotta be all Ďwoo woo wooí with the something to prove hype. I ainít got nothing to prove, I am what I am and Iím gonna be what Iím gone be. Blood. Thatís on some personal shit my nigga. But for the record this Blood nigga! And thatís what it is. Soo Woo whatís haaatniní nigga? Iím a Fillmoe nigga at the end of the day, Iím a Bay Area nigga Ďtil I leave this bitch and Iím Soo Wooíd up! Thatís how I feel and thatís how I been feeling, it ainít nothing new. Itís just these niggas gone put it out there like that, after the fact. And thatís cool too, Ďcause it made them niggas show their colors. And I ainít mad at none of Ďem. Everybodyís got an opinion, he stated his, the other nigga stated his and I stated mine. At the end of the day they ainít nothing but statements on how a nigga feels Blood. Thatís it, ainít no beef Ďcause ainít nobody got hit. Then when a nigga gets hit, then you know shitís serious. So all this talkiní and all that shit I donít give a fuck man Iím still moviní around this muthafucka, Iím being myself. I ainít got nothing to prove, I ainít acting like Iím the hardest nigga, but niggas already know Mess ride around and when he jumps out them Euros, the nigga got a 30 round cinnamon bun on him. Leave that nigga alone, he donít bother nobody. Leave the nigga alone. And I been ridiní like that Iím gone stay ridiní like that. Everywhere I go around the Bay thatís what Iím known for, being a real nigga, being accessible, down to earth and jumping out my car with that cinnamon bun drinking with niggas smoking with niggas, letting them feel the life. Straight up, letting them feel the mob life, and thatís what it is! Thatís why I said I wanted to give you a chance to explain your side; I ainít asking to try to piss you off or nothing like that.
Na! And I ainít mad! Like I said I ainít got nothing to prove at the end of the day. What it is is people with their different opinions and other people on the outside looking in and then the media blowing it up to something else. I think itís just a misconception then, because if thatís what it is and thatís what itís been then thatís what it is, people just didnít know so it gets blown out of proportion. People were saying how is it that though when outside of the Latin side there really isnít gang banging in San Francisco?
Youíve got to be careful on what you say and how you say it when youíre dealing with these publications and dealing with people in general Blood. I was doing what I was doing when I was moving the way I was moving with niggas, when niggas show up at these different events wherever Iím at, I was moving that way. So I donít know how it canít be no Bloods. This is what I stand for. So I donít understand how it ainít no Bloods that come from up out that area, when that Blood nigga was moving how he was moving with niggas behind him. How does that make everybody else look? Hold on let me pull up the B.A.R.S. Awards footage, like Ďdamn thatís all you niggas that was standing right there with me thatís saying the same shit? Oh Ok.í Even before that though, Iím just making an example, even before that. You know how shit go, muthafuckas get mad niggas get on they personal hype and niggas say little shit. Hey thatís how they felt at that particular time, and whatever I said thatís how I felt. At the end of the day Iím gone be what Iím gone be, and thatís Blood. And a Fillmoe nigga and a Bay Area nigga and a good nigga at that. Hey man there it is, the C-4 nigga, the first interview that Mess publicized it, get a bar of this! Iím runniní a game of 21 nigga, thereís about 30 niggas in this muthafucka and I canít pick up the fuckiní basketball so letís go!
MESSY MARV & GUCE - LIVE AT THE 2ND ANNUAL B.A.R.S. AWARDS
Because I donít let them ask me no sucka shit, you know how muthafuckas do it, you say one thing and they say something and then they put something else on it. You can put whatever the fuck you want to put, just keep it business and professional. Ya dig? Ok weíll move on from that. A couple years ago you had a pretty big single in the Bay with Guce called ďSo HoodĒ when you guys did the Bullys Wit Fullys album. Are you still working with him?
Our whole situation is, we did have a big hit, the chemistry came together, we did the Bullys Wit Fullys album. Guce did his whole Bullys Wit Fullys brand and heís branching off and doing his own thing because Guce made that up. Before it was me it was Killa Tay. So it ainít about me and Guce ainít fuckiní with each other no more itís just that man done moved on and heís growing with his brand and his label. I wish the nigga all the best, but I ainít talked to Guce in hella long. Another major subject that everybody wants to know about and seems to have an opinion about is the problems between you and San Quinn. I donít know how much you want to speak on it and you can choose not to. Can you give some info on what lead up to the situation and where does it stand right now?
You know what, Iím not gone even put that out there like that. Quinn knows what he did. Quinn knows why I feel the way I feel and itís just based on niggas that talk too much. I just feel like shit that was said shouldnít have been said man. After the fact of whatever we done went through personally and however many times I done had to show up with the 50 round thang to let a nigga know what time it was with me and you. If a nigga had to say something to you a nigga had to say something to this. And thatís how I moved with that nigga man. And heíll tell you and everybody else in the world will tell you. I just canít understand how the nigga say shit and let shit come out his mouth when we done been through this other shit personally. So like I said before niggas are entitled to their opinion and however a nigga feels make niggas say how they feel. And whatever Quinn said he felt thatís how he felt. And whatever Mess said thatís how Mess felt.
Right now weíre going through a mutual friend; I reached out to the nigga Chuck, told Chuck to have Quinn call me. They lollygagged and shit, nigga didnít call me. I said Ok fuck it, Iím gonna play the back and let these men do the man thing, and Iím gonna do the man thing. Then the OG homie reached out to me, said we need to squash the shit, sent me a song, we gonna do that and after that weíll see where else it takes us. Shit takes time, wounds take time to heal. Weíre in our healing process right now. If the shit donít work, everything thatís broke you canít fix. You canít force nothing thatís broke together. So if it donít work it donít work, if it do work it do work. But at the end of the day just dealing with a nigga personally, thatís on a whole other level. But like I said man I donít have no beef with that nigga San Quinn. I ainít got no beef with them other niggas you hear talking and all that shit, because it ainít no beef man. Nigga ainít nobody got hit, ainít nobody got slapped, ainít nobody got beat up, so it ainít no beef. It ainít no beef, niggas just saying how they feel, and thatís what it is. Weíre not going to talk about the personal side of the situation and what lead up to it, because it is a personal situation between you two that shouldnít really be out in the public anyway.
And it definitely ainít about me being no Blood homie, Iíll tell you that. You said there are people in the middle who are trying to mediate the situation right now. Weíve heard from other people saying that itís possible this all could be squashed, but we havenít yet heard from either you or Quinn directly about how youíre feeling right now.
We definitely trying to squash it C-4, but personally I ainít talked to this man. Weíre trying to squash the situation right now man, through our mutual friend. Quinn might not have reached out to him and told him to squash it for him, Mess might not have reached out to him and told him to squash it for him, this is the OG Fillmoe homie along with Hugh E MC along with James Beasley thatís in the penitentiary right now. A lot of muthafuckas that done reached out man and tried to squash this shit, thatís what he did. And every time that a nigga calls my phone and hits my banger with some common sense, Iím with that. But like I said in the beginning man, itís good, itís whatever, however niggas wanna swing man, when they playing the song Iím ready to dance. Itís good with Mess, I ainít got no problem with nobody. I ainít got no beef with nobody. Let me ask you then, even if it does get to the point where you guys are sitting face to face and things are squashed, a lot of personal things have been said and a lot of personal things have been done, do you think you can ever get back to the point where you guys were at one time or do you think too far of a line has been crossed?
Umm I mean you know what, like I said man, and Iím gonna say it a million times, people state their opinion and theyíre entitled to that. Thatís how he felt thatís how I felt, if we can move forward we can, if we canít we canít. Do you want to speak on the situation with The Click Clack Gang at all? They were signed under your label but more importantly they were your dudes that you ran with, what transpired with them?
Man The Click Clack Gang is a group that I made up. I made this brand up, I made this label up and I called it The Click Clack Gang. Before The Click Clack Gang I made up a group called The KO.Alition. And this was basically a title that I came up with for a group that I wanted to put out there from the niggas that I hand-picked. Got rid of The KO.Alition, came up with The Click Clack Gang, hand-picked a few niggas, it didnít work out, dropped a few niggas, and I kept my name. So what happened is, niggas is utilizing the hard work and the blood and the sweat and the tears that I done put in to this machine that Iím running right now, and try to use that to sell records. The Click Clack Gang wasnít started on the block, The Click Clack Gang wasnít started by nobody else, The Click Clack Gang was started by Mess. Sitting in the Benz like ĎIím about to come up with something so the niggas that I hand-picked can utilize it and get out their situation. I dropped niggas off the label, I kept the name, thereís gone be a new Click Clack Gang. Iím gonna find a nigga from Chicago, Iím gonna find a nigga from Detroit, Iím gonna find one of my Brooklyn niggas you feel me and we gone rock nationwide with this Click Clack shit. It donít stop right there Blood, thatís all that was. There ainít no Click Clack Gang if I donít say thereís a Click Clack Gang. And the niggas that are saying theyíre The Click Clack Gang ainít The Click Clack Gang because I own that. So The Click Clack Gang was just a name and a brand that you built?
Yeah. Straight up like that. And that ainít no disrespect thatís the muthafuckiní truth. Niggas put out something with The Click Clack Gang on it Iím snatching that shit off the shelf. What did you think about them riding with San Quinn while the problems were going on?
It felt great! Because them niggas needed another resource, so that was great. At the end of the day these are my Fillmoe niggas, that I love or had love for at one point and time. So I felt great, hey itís another nigga that a nigga can utilize, thatís utilizing your resources because when I needed it I had to get out here and get it myself. So it feels good
when a nigga helps another muthafucka man. Ainít nobody help Mess, I had to get out here and get it myself. So when I see a nigga thatís in need and thereís another nigga that can help him that comes from our area thatís great. Maybe the nigga can get him some now and stop crying so muthafuckiní much. I ainít giving you shit. Thereís another person who has been trying to stir up a lot about you and basically launched a whole campaign against you, whatís the situation with William Breed?
William Breed is a Fillmoe nigga man. I got a lot of love for his brother thatís in the penitentiary right now Blood, you feel me? You know William Breed did the same thing to E-40. When E-40 came out with something and he tried to sue E-40 and all that shit man. Like I said William Breed can say whatever the fuck William Breed wanna say. At the end of the day William Breed knows Mess, Mess knows William Breed. William Breed ainít hard to find, nigga Mess ainít hard to find. It ainít no beef Blood. One other subject that has been one of a lot of talk when it comes to Mess, outside of your music of course, and I donít know if you want to comment on it or not, is your drug use. Is it something thatís still going on, is it a personal issue with you?
Aww man Iíd tell Michael Jackson I snort blow! Nigga Iíd tell the King Of Pop to sit down and take a toot, a one on one with a nigga whatís haaatnin? But na listen Blood, nigga Michael Jackson is dead and that shit is too. I have been clean forÖ when did I get outÖ I have been clean for like two years now. I drink periodically here and there man but like I said I got my kids, Iíve got full custody so I had to rock another way. So you havenít touched anything in two years?
I havenít touched shit. And if you hear me talking about it on an album or on a song or a verse, that was an old ass verse. Itís a personal subject, thatís why I said you could choose to speak on it or not. You are a public figure and people are going to talk, run their mouths and give their opinions.
Itís all good. I never had a problem with the addiction that I had. I had a #1 hit on the West region and in the Mid-West called ďPlayiní Wit My NoseĒ. And then Snoop Dogg on his new album ďMalice In WonderlandĒ he comes back and he says Ďlike Mess square bitches canít stand meí. So thatíll let you know right there I was having fun with my addiction and if an icon like Snoop Dogg could reach back out and say some shit like that nigga, it definitely was a good thing. I never had a problem with what I do or what I did. Itís history. Well whether you ever counted it as a problem, congratulations on being clean and stepping up and taking on your responsibilities. Thatís part of growing up like you talked about earlier.
Straight up man Iím in the gym every day. Iím on my fast hype right now in February. And as you can hear, Iím on the basketball court with 10 niggas and I ainít touched the ball yet and they mad than a muthafucka. [Laughs] Thatís how healthy I am, Iím running a game of 21 right now nigga. And Iím gonna smoke me some weed when I get up out of here. Whatís haaatnin? I know Iím holding you up, Iíve only got a couple more questions. I was gonna ask you this anyway and since you brought it up, how did it feel to have someone like Snoop Dogg recognize you and quote you on his album?
You know what it feels good in a sense, a nigga been putting in so much work for so long man. It feels good in a sense, but us as a whole, as far as the West Coast shit, I ainít crying about the shout out or acting ire or nothing like that but come snatch me nigga. Shit letís do a song or something, letís really put it out there then. I done sat at Snoopís house, and fucked with Snoop and Nate and Daz nigga and the Mac Minister. We done kicked it and shit. So it feels good in a sense, then at the end of the day Iím sayiní whatís haatniní nigga? Come see me nigga. Letís rock. West Coast one time. Youíre on the new E-40 album ďRevenue RetrieviníĒ thatís coming out in March; tell me about the song that youíre on.
I think itís titled ďHeís A GangstaĒ, me, 40 and Jacka. We rocked on that muthafucka man and it came out real good. I think Droop-E is on the beat. Heís talking about shooting a video for it but I donít know if Iím ready to show my face yet, I got some more work to do but weíll see. But actually man, I listened to the single he just put out, the muthafucka is holding his ground man. E-40 has been around for a long time, the muthafucka is gone be around for even longer. But if we donít have no unity as a whole, shit ainít gone never be nothing man. You niggas get rich man, you niggas do your thing and Iím gonna do mine. At the end of the day whenever niggaís ready to unify and do some real shit my nigga, Iím right here along with whoever else wants to be right here with me. Do you want to talk about any of the collaboration projects that youíve been doing lately?
Na nigga I donít wanna talk about shit Iím on this muthafuckiní basketball court! [Laughs] Na we could talk about it, I had a lot of group projects come out last year. I pulled a Lil Weezy, they say Iím the Lil Weezy of the Bay, I did 100+ songs last year and I released 100 songs last year. Iím real proud of that. If you hear or see me on any group album, just know itís real. Just know I gave back, thatís my way of giving back. When people wanna kick their label off or when they got a situation they wanna go get, they come get at Mess. ĎMess letís do the group album I need to kick the label off. Mess letís do the Mess project, or whatever it isí. You gone see a lot of that. Iím gonna be around for the group albums, thereís so many to name so I canít say no names but last year I put out 100, maybe this year Iíll do 200. Whatís haatnin? The last thing I want to ask you before I let you go, and this is something that a lot of the people that I talk to in the Bay and in different parts of the country and in and outside of the industry say, no matter what happens, the streets really fuck with Mess, the fans fuck with Mess. What keeps the streets fuckiní with Mess, what is it that draws the people to you?
Man this is gone rock this whole interview right here, at the end of the day it ainít about a fan, it ainít about the streets, when they look at Mess, they say Ďthatís meí. I make the people feel like Iím them. Iím one of the people. Thatís why Iíve been so successful for so long. Thatís why I can drop an album with no promotion and itíll do remarkable. Because Iím one of them. They feel me, they understand my story because itís they story. Thatís what keeps me locked.
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. Iím gonna get on this muthafuckiní court Blood! And Iíll holla at We The West in a minute C-4 you know I love you nigga, G. Archer nigga whatís haaatnin? Iím talkiní real fast, I gotta go! A big thanks goes out to The Boy Boy Young Mess for granting us this very detailed and extremely candid interview. For people that know him or are fans of him, Mess is often an open book and he does not hold his tongue very much, but it is also not often that you get him to open up so detailed on these very personal subjects all at once. Hopefully this answers just about all of the questions and clears up the rumors people have had regarding Messy Marv. Although we are part of the industry professionally, as music fans and regular people first we are hopeful that eventually the drama and problems between Marv and San Quinn, The Click Clack Gang group members and whoever else can be worked out in the interests of everyone involved and their familyís personal safety and of course in the hopes of creating some more great music in the future. Whatever happens We The West wishes Mess the best of luck both professionally and personally. Be sure to stay up to date with everything he and his label Scalen LLC has going on at the brand new www.scalenllc.com, which opens next week, plus www.myspace.com/messymarvonline and conversate with him direct on Twitter @TheBoyBoyMess www.twitter.com/theboyboymess. Like they say Ďtalk to me, Iíll talk backí and he does.