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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Notorious K.I.D. View Post
    And that is my issue when people start saying that it's a useless LeBron stat. There's been NO ONE to score this efficiently at any point ever in the history of the NBA. It needs to be shown a little more respect than it's being given in here
    On NBATV they were talkin bout how it's crazy that cats like Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell, as dominant as they were, couldn't even do this and they weren't taking outside jumpers. It's really remarkable what he's doing. Every year he's better. This year he has career highs in FG% (56.5%), 3pt% (42%), rebounds (8.1), and a career low in turnovers per game (2.9). Dude is having one of the greatest statistical years of any player ever in the history of the league. Salute to the man who has earned the right to his own nickname now, The King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Dash View Post
    U can argue that last year alone LeBron went "head to head" with better players at his position than MJ ever did in his title runs. I mean seriously for the rest of his career he's going to have to compete with Kevin Durant and Melo in their primes as opposed to what? Joe Dumars? (underrated but undersized as well) Byron Scott? Jeff Hornacek? Hersey Hawkins? Lil ole Gary Payton tried to check him? Thunder Dan Majerle? Only legit matchup with him was Clyde Drexler. I will not sit here and discredit Clyde Drexler because he really does have some impressive stats...but in all of MJ's seasons is that really the only big name we can throw out there. John Starks would be next I guess and that's not saying a lot.

    People like to also forget that the Bulls struggled out the gate in the last year of the 2nd 3peat without Pippen. When he came back they got on a run and never looked back but it's worth stating that it still took a solid team for MJ to achieve the TEAM accolades. From an individual standpoint what he did prior to the championship seasons seems to be unreal.


    And long story short I still say MJ > Lebron just from the eye test. But if LeBron continues to demoralize his opponents in the playoffs the way MJ did, he'll make a strong case of saying I'm not MJ...but who's ever been Lebron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    On NBATV they were talkin bout how it's crazy that cats like Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell, as dominant as they were, couldn't even do this and they weren't taking outside jumpers. It's really remarkable what he's doing. Every year he's better. This year he has career highs in FG% (56.5%), 3pt% (42%), rebounds (8.1), and a career low in turnovers per game (2.9). Dude is having one of the greatest statistical years of any player ever in the history of the league. Salute to the man who has earned the right to his own nickname now, The King.
    at mentioning Bill Russell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastsida View Post
    Bruh im tryin to get tickets to da hawks game so I can see the greatness in person
    they selling them @ my job

    I am debating on going....I'm yet to see LeBron live

    of course I will be in the building when The Mamba and company come to the A next month

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    Westbrook, Thunder show their frustration after loss After storming off the court during a win over the Grizzlies a dozen days ago, Russell Westbrook drew some flak for both that action as well as his postgame interview with TNT’s Craig Sager. Famously, when Sager asked Westbrook a question he didn’t like, Westbrook responded with an “If that’s what you say, bruh,” that made its rounds on the internet as much as his on-court actions did. Westbrook was at it again after last night’s blowout loss in Salt Lake City to the Jazz which snapped OKC’s four-game win streak. The Oklahoman’s Darnell Mayberry has plenty of juicy tidbits to share (see video here):
    The postgame locker room was more lively than anything in the last eleven minutes of the 109-94 loss the Thunder took on the chin. Scott Brooks was brutally honest. Russell Westbrook lost his patience with the media. And Kevin Durant even tried to not be nice. It was all part of a strange night inside Energy Solutions Arena, where the Thunder’s four-game winning streak came to a sudden stop and the recent road woes reared their ugly head once again.

    Westbrook simply walked off. The temperamental team captain got fed up with a reporter’s question and suddenly turned his back and ended the interview before walking away. The exchange was as follows. “Russell, did you guys lose this game, or did the Jazz win this one?” Westbrook: “Whaaaaat? Bro, what are you talking about, man? I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’.”

    Westbrook’s sound bite was good for a quick laugh and easily makes his top three all-time interview quotes. But what was sad about the exchange is that everyone on the team, players and staffers included, simply supported him. They came to his defense even after he lost his patience, snapped on a reporter, prematurely ended an interview and used offensive language. It’s one of the reasons Westbrook will always be Westbrook. Nobody seems to hold him accountable, on the court or in front of the cameras. A pretty generic question, one that players get asked all the time in every sport, caused him to erupt. But by now, that behavior is just what you expect out of Westbrook.

    Westbrook’s top three sound bites:
    “No more questions for you, bro.”
    “Whaaaaat? Bro, what are you talking about, man? I’m out man.”
    “If that’s what you say, bruh.”

    Durant picked up his 10th technical foul of the season tonight. It was pretty petty. But whatever. It happened with 6:06 left to play. Durant delivered a (sort of) hard foul on Alec Burks as he raced down the left sideline. It was enough to send Alec Burks “flying” into the first row of baseline seats. Durant received a flagrant 1 foul for the play and got hit with a technical for pushing Carroll when he walked in his direction and spouted off a few words. A light shoving match ensued and Durant and DeMarre Carroll picked up double technicals.
    Durant moved into a tie for second place with his technical fouls, two behind leader DeMarcus Cousins. It puts KD six away from an automatic one-game suspension and prompted me to ask Durant if he will now be more mindful of his growing temper in the final 30 games. “I’m just going to keep being me,” Durant said. “I don’t give a damn. I’m going to just keep being me.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
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    crazy!!! -- I haven't saw much of OKC this year, but how in the world does KD have so many techs already this year?

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    Westbrook simply walked off. The temperamental team captain got fed up with a reporter’s question and suddenly turned his back and ended the interview before walking away. The exchange was as follows. “Russell, did you guys lose this game, or did the Jazz win this one?” Westbrook: “Whaaaaat? Bro, what are you talking about, man? I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice Gripp View Post
    Westbrook simply walked off. The temperamental team captain got fed up with a reporter’s question and suddenly turned his back and ended the interview before walking away. The exchange was as follows. “Russell, did you guys lose this game, or did the Jazz win this one?” Westbrook: “Whaaaaat? Bro, what are you talking about, man? I’m out man. Y’all n***** trippin’.”

    Westbrook’s sound bite was good for a quick laugh and easily makes his top three all-time interview quotes. But what was sad about the exchange is that everyone on the team, players and staffers included, simply supported him. They came to his defense even after he lost his patience, snapped on a reporter, prematurely ended an interview and used offensive language. It’s one of the reasons Westbrook will always be Westbrook. Nobody seems to hold him accountable, on the court or in front of the cameras. A pretty generic question, one that players get asked all the time in every sport, caused him to erupt. But by now, that behavior is just what you expect out of Westbrook.
    Just what I was talking about. Damn shame.
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    I missed the game last night, but that wasn't a pretty one.
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    What offensive language? I say y'all niggas trippin' all the time. But man how can you not like Russ.

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    I honestly think some people forget that Russ is only 24.......if he was 28 and doing that, cool I see the fervor. But 24? Just sounds like dogging someone just to dog them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Notorious K.I.D. View Post
    I honestly think some people forget that Russ is only 24.......if he was 28 and doing that, cool I see the fervor. But 24? Just sounds like dogging someone just to dog them.
    You make a good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.B. View Post
    I missed the game last night, but that wasn't a pretty one.
    Probably only the 3rd or 4th game I turned off before halftime. We went down 53-28 and I decided I was just gonna watch the rest of the FSU/Miami game then SVU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Dash View Post
    Probably only the 3rd or 4th game I turned off before halftime. We went down 53-28 and I decided I was just gonna watch the rest of the FSU/Miami game then SVU.
    It's crazy how coach remains positive. I watch the post game shows and he always is upbeat. Man someone asked a real dumb ass question. He asked if lack of free throws were in the game plan. :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Notorious K.I.D. View Post
    I honestly think some people forget that Russ is only 24.......if he was 28 and doing that, cool I see the fervor. But 24? Just sounds like dogging someone just to dog them.
    So you still get a pass for being a "kid" at 24 nowadays? How times have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah 2.0 View Post
    So you still get a pass for being a "kid" at 24 nowadays? How times have changed.
    There's been multiple articles published in the last couple of years that state people develop at entirely different rates. Bottom line : Most likely the Thunder know coming down on Westbrook would only make things worse and not better. But this begs the question were you as hard on Kobe at 24-25 as you are on Westbrook now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tha Notorious K.I.D. View Post
    There's been multiple articles published in the last couple of years that state people develop at entirely different rates. Bottom line : Most likely the Thunder know coming down on Westbrook would only make things worse and not better. But this begs the question were you as hard on Kobe at 24-25 as you are on Westbrook now?
    All I see are excuses being made for a grown man acting like a petulant child. And he is just that, a grown man. Not a kid. He's 24 years old and acts the way he does because his behavior is excused and accepted. My 9 year old son doesn't react like that because he knows it's unacceptable and won't be tolerated. But I guess he's more developed emotionally than Westbrook.

    Don't remember Kobe ever pulling stunts like these but to answer your question, I'm probably the biggest Kobe critic that I know(among actual Lakers fans). I just don't do much criticizing of him on here because the haters do enough for me, them, and a few more folks.
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    Sometimes an upsetting loss can make for a bad post game interview with media. Not condoning it, but I understand.

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    Here's a good read for those LeBron James stat lovers out there that think nothing great was done before him.

    Michael Jordan birthday recalls greatness not surpassed by LeBron James dominance - ESPN Chicago

    The unsettling thing about this whole Michael Jordan weeklong birthday celebration is that a great number of people, many of whom think of themselves as basketball fans, appear to have forgotten how impossibly great Jordan was as a player. They recognize the shoes and worship the jersey. They know the six NBA championships and that he was the star of the '92 Dream Team. They can identify historic clips, such as the shot over Craig Ehlo or the one over Bryon Russell or the signature dunks. But they have no handle whatsoever on the extent of his night-after-night basketball genius and competitive relentlessness.

    You'd have to be 35 years old minimum to remember the details of Jordan's insanely prolific season, 1986-87, when he averaged 37 points a game. And even some who are old enough to remember have instead locked themselves in the prison of now, perhaps worn down by the constant bombardment of right this moment, the overbearing and maddening insistence that anything that happened today is better. We have more information and more ways of accessing it than ever, yet seem increasingly less inclined to do so.


    It's probably a good thing that what has been proclaimed as the greatest stretch of LeBron James' basketball career just happens to coincide with the celebration of Jordan's birthday.


    You're not going to read a single negative word about LeBron here, and why would you? He's an athletic marvel in any generation whose physical, intellectual and emotional maturity have all come together at once to produce some of the best basketball we've ever seen.

    But this notion that what LeBron has done over these past six games is the best stretch of basketball in the history of the sport is -- to use one of my favorite Bill Russell phrases -- "in error."


    "SportsCenter" asked whether we'd ever seen a roll like the one LeBron is on: six straight games of 30 points, each carrying a shooting percentage better than 60 percent. And the answer was pretty simple: yes, of course. I obsessively followed Jordan's entire career, much of it live and in person as a sportswriter for The Washington Post. In 1989, when Jordan was probably at the height of his physical powers he recorded 10 triple-doubles in 11 games. He averaged 34 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists on 51 percent shooting during that barrage.


    One of my ESPN.com editors, a man who was a sportswriter in Chicago during most of Jordan's career, said when he first heard the stat Sunday afternoon, that Jordan had 10 triple-doubles in 11 games, his first thought was, "That can't be right."


    It was my first thought too, because who does that in today's NBA? Not LeBron James, not Kobe Bryant, nobody. But there it is in black and white, from March 25 to April 14. Magic Johnson, who earlier in the day had said LeBron might be on the greatest roll he had ever seen, shook his head in disbelief and said, "I should know better. I should have known Michael would have had a stretch that was better."


    I guess you can argue whether you'd rather average 30-plus points on 71 percent shooting or record 10 triple-doubles in 11 games. To me, it's not even close; the standard for all-around brilliance in modern-day basketball is the triple-double. You know what Jordan did in the game before his streak began? He put 34 points and 17 assists on the Trail Blazers in Portland.


    The one game Jordan did not record a triple-double in that 11-game stretch? How about 40 points, 11 assists and 7 rebounds (on 61 percent FG shooting) in the second of back-to-back games against the Detroit Pistons, who would reach the NBA Finals in a few weeks & and that was 24 hours after he'd put 31 points, 10 assists and 13 rebounds on the Pistons in Detroit. Five games, seven nights, four triple-doubles, and three rebounds from a fifth!


    If a player put together that kind of stretch now, Twitter would explode.


    And while Jordan's 50th is the impetus here for delving into a little NBA history it's not as though Jordan had a monopoly on greatness, or Jordan is the only player whose greatness we're forgetting. Not only did Wilt Chamberlain score 50 or more points 12 times in 13 games in his ungodly 1961-62 season, as an old geezer in 1967-68 Wilt recorded nine straight triple-doubles.


    But before we get back to Jordan and LeBron, two quick things about Wilt's 1962 season. How about these point totals in consecutive games: 78, 61, 55, 54, 52, 43, 50, 57, 55, 59, 51, 53, 60. And on the night Wilt scored 78, he had 43 rebounds & against the Lakers. Later in that same season of '62, Wilt had nights of 67 points and 21 rebounds, 65 points and 23 rebounds, 61 and 28, 100 and 25, and 58 and 35.


    If you like your greatness to show up in the postseason, consider that Magic once recorded double-digit assists in all 19 playoff games the Lakers played en route to the 1984-85 championship. To show it wasn't a fluke, in the very next postseason Magic dished out double-digit assists in 13 of 14 playoff games, and in the 14th game had nine assists. You know who doesn't know he did this? Magic. I told him I was going to find it and he said he didn't think such a streak existed. It does. We all forget.


    The guy who really has to be chapped over all this is Oscar Robertson, who in that same 1962 season averaged 31 points, 12.5 rebounds and 11.4 assists. Surely Mr. Robertson has to hear all this slobbering over LeBron (and even MJ 24 years ago) and think to himself, "Are you kidding me? They're praising these guys for doing less than a dozen times what I did every damned night?"


    So, do we really need to consider whether LeBron's stretch of 30 points/60 percent is the greatest basketball ever played? The overstatement doesn't do any favors for LeBron, or Kobe for that matter, because neither compares favorably in so many ways to Jordan. Only Robertson, Wilt and Elgin Baylor really do statistically, and Bill Russell, of course, when it comes to winning championships. Bryant, in my book, will retire as one of the 10 greatest players in the history of the NBA. But that doesn't mean, as was frequently being pushed two years ago, that another title will make him the equal of Jordan. Once again, long-term memory is failing people.


    Jordan was a better scorer than Kobe, by about five points per game, was a better rebounder (6.2 to 5.3), a better passer (5.3 assists to 4.7) and shot a better percentage (49.7 to 45.4). Jordan shot 50 percent or better five straight seasons. Kobe has yet to record his first 50 percent shooting season. The one place Kobe is better than MJ is three-point shooting, yet Kobe's career percentage from beyond the arc is 33.6 to Jordan's 32.7.


    And to think there are current NBA coaches, who coached against Jordan, Kobe and LeBron, who will say privately -- though not publicly, so as not to offend the two killers they still have to play against -- that if Jordan had come of age in today's game with no handchecking and no Pistons-style body slamming high fliers, he'd easily average 40 points on 55 percent shooting.


    LeBron, if he stays healthy and keeps playing for contending teams, could conceivably dominate his era and win enough championships to force a legitimate comparative conversation down the line. Conceivably.


    LeBron's set of skills is as unique as Jordan's. He seems to be as complete as Jordan, plus two inches taller and, oh, 40 pounds heavier. But we still don't know whether LeBron, or anybody else in the coming years, will play night after night with Jordan's infamous relentlessness and, yes, ruthlessness.


    Tim Legler, the ESPN analyst and former NBA guard who played against Jordan, marveled during a radio interview with Mike & Mike the other morning about LeBron, but allowed that the Heat might only now, midway through the season, be growing interested in the season. LeBron and the Heat, Legler said very accurately, might not yet be playing with that championship edge, having already won a title in June.


    And see, that's probably what helped take Jordan to a place LeBron hasn't yet found, Kobe either. Jordan never lost his edge when he was on a basketball court. After winning three titles, he led a team to 72 wins, the league's best-ever record. And after doing that, he led a team to 69 wins, tying the league's second-best record. And then after that, he won again. Games were more a concert than competitive contests. Jordan won whenever he wanted, scored whenever he wanted, took the opposing player's best perimeter player for 40-plus minutes, not at the end of games or here and there.


    Jordan has been very quiet about this entire 50th birthday thing, a fuss I imagine he couldn't possibly want. But I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he hears that other fuss, over LeBron James' fabulous stretch of basketball and the comparisons to him, Jordan, at his best.


    More times than I can count, when young 20ish LeBron was going through his postseason struggles, I got messages from Jordan that amounted to, "Hey, leave that kid alone & he's going to kick everybody's ass one day and you'll feel dumb for criticizing him!"


    But now that LeBron is doing just that, as Jordan and most others predicted, and people are forgetting just how MJ terrorized every player and thrilled every fan for years, I imagine that if Michael Jordan could give himself the ultimate birthday present, anything in the world, he'd turn 50 into 35, pull out a pair of those old Air Jordans, walk onto the court and remind people just how dumb it is to forget.
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    Ben Gordon acting up I see.


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    As Dunlap led the Bobcats in a morning shootaround on Monday before a victory over the Celtics, Gordon refused Dunlap's request to stop bouncing a ball as the coach spoke, sources said. Before long, Gordon began baiting Dunlap, telling him that he needed to "humble himself," sources said.
    Gordan refused to give the ball to Dunlap, and eventually tossed it toward a ball rack, sources said.


    Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins was in the practice session and ultimately intervened, sources said.


    "Beyond disrespectful," was how one league source described the scene.
    He too old for that mess man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.B. View Post
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    He too old for that mess man.
    Actin' a donkey to try to force that Brooklyn trade? Crazy that the coach and GM let it get that far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.B. View Post
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    He too old for that mess man.
    Your talking about the same guy who let Luol Dengs $65M contract stop him from signing his $55M contract because he thought he should be the highest paid player. Ben would have been on the Bulls another 2 years if he wouldnt have let his agents and ego guide his head. He aint been the same since he left the Chi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOULOVE2HATE! View Post
    Your talking about the same guy who let Luol Dengs $65M contract stop him from signing his $55M contract because he thought he should be the highest paid player. Ben would have been on the Bulls another 2 years if he wouldnt have let his agents and ego guide his head. He aint been the same since he left the Chi.
    Don't think I ever knew that.
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    LMAO at Ben Gordon!!!!!!!!


    As for the MJ streaks, yeah bruh was amazing. Don't think anyone's taking anything away from what he did.

    As far as Coach, I'm pretty sure he knows we're supposed to be losing games. Too bad the draft as trash this year smh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonah 2.0 View Post
    Don't think I ever knew that.
    Yeah dude...Ben was on one. I think he ended up firing the Leon Rose as his agent (I could be wrong) but yeah he wanted more money, and as it looks now - the Bulls made the right move by letting him walk.

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