King James Version (KJV)
18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
So if know man has ever saw God, then who was Moses speaking to? And Mses was speaking to this guy face to face. It's obvious it's the one that said , "it you saw me, then u saw the father". Y'all just aint up on y'all bible scriptures. The bible is the truth, yall just unlearned.
Last edited by Cousin Skeeter; 03-27-2012 at 11:10 PM.
My simple point was a council of human being decided what was going to go into a book that is looked at as the word of God. Do you understand the connotation of the word of God? That's heavy. You aren't talking about a book on dogs here.. you are talking bi-laws and morality restrictions from The Creator. So miss me wit that shit. It's fact that exact stories and similar stories were around for thousands of years before ANY of the "prophets" wrote ANY of the scriptures included into "the Bible" by the Council of Nicaea.
And you tell me to study the whole book yet you couldn't point to me a single person on this planet Earth that follows every rule and restriction in it as it is written. There'd be a lot of dead bodies on Sundays if you could. So people take what parts fit their life, disregard the rest, and live a happy life that they feel is right and just. That's fine by me. But don't tell me it's the eternal word of God. Cuz it's not. It was written by men. None of which ever met Jesus. All of the stories were written hundreds of years after the supposed life of Christ.
This is fact. Regardless of how vague and flawed "Zeitgeist" was, from my experience and research of what the movies said I agree and understand the central point of it. Personally, I believe in a Creator but I don't think modern men could understand what the Creator is or how he/she/it works. Don't even try to tell me primitive men could lol.
You have the right to believe what u want. I don't find it hard to believe a group of biblical modern scholars got together and translated the bible from Hebrew to English. These weren't Unga BUNGA Cavemen , and We are the actual dumb ones that were brought down to a low human form. They had just as many schools & Universities back then. People were actually smarter and better off before they were sold into captivity. And I can point to someone that followed God's rules. Christ , Moses,Aaron,Samuel, Ezra, Daniel, man I'll be here all day naming folks. But at the end of the day, am I going to disobey God!s commandment's cuz you do? Hell naw... What you do & end up is your business. That ain't got shit to do with me. And I don't understand your argument about the book being translated. They didn't burn the original Hebrew text. All you gotta do is get a strong's concordance and find the original Hebrew meaning. The only problems I have with translations is every else, but the KJV. The other translations completely take out words and put in words that give new meanings. KJV gives a translation, not completely new words/meanings.
Last edited by Cousin Skeeter; 03-28-2012 at 05:56 AM.
Religion is a great form of manipulation.. We have many man made religion that oppresses folks.. They were born into this world believing what others are to believe til they get old enough to understand for themselves.. Some people know it and some people know it but refused to go against it.. And I ain't mad at em.. I believe its a higher power, but the mind of a man is evil so its really no telling what man did to the word of God.. They could have twist and turn it to control folks.. It's been going on for eras and eras at a time.
^^^ no doubt certain words were mistranlated after years and years of revision. But if you do your own research and study the word, you can spot BS from a mile away. But folks talking about they dont know what to believe because of man. If thats the case, you better not beleive shit in life. Cuz everything you learned, read, watched came from man. These text books, morals, everything you either read or picked up from somebody. So sooner of later you are going to have to drop that excuse cuz aint no angels going to come and touch your forehead and give you infinite wisdom. God works thru Men... he always send prophets to lead his people to the correct path. But he always warn you to beware of false prophets.... Thats actually one of the first things Christ warns you to look for. And these churches (false prophets) are everywhere.
higher power but believe life on earth would be hell without science and technology.
higher power and spirituality without 70% of religion been involved!
ask yourself how would it look like if god said john since you are a muslim you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
paul since your a christian you cannot into the kingdom of heaven.
shawn since you follow my ten commandments and help other from disobey my ten commentands! you didn't believe in the bible or Quran so i cannot you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
if a atheists live holy and better than a former or born again reglious person. why should he hvave to suffer eternal damnation!
so that mean even after all the sins hilter commented all he has to do is ask forgiving and he is excuses of all his wrong doings?
but a atheists who dedicated his life to making the world a better,safer and smarter place to live get to burn eternal in hell!
^^614 you are 100 percent right..before i read all your post i was gonna say the same thing about hitler...lets say he didnt kill himself..instead was captured and before he died he accepted christ..he would be in heaven right now?
also to add to it what sense does it make to say jews are gods chosen people yet they are denied heaven becasue they dont believe in jesus? why are they even "chosen" to begin with?
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A simple way to get the answers to your questions is to actually read the Bible...
"Live in the present, remember the past, and fear not the future, for it doesn't exist and never shall. There is only now." - Christopher Paolini
also it is taught they will be left behind...some chosen people
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That answers all your questions, if you don't like that answer take it up with GOD.
As far as the Hitler question, if he did (probably highly unlikely seeing how him and Himmler were heavy into the occult) accept Jesus and was honest and remorseful then yes he would have made it into heaven.
2nd of all those Jews that don't believe in. Christ aren't Jews. They are Gentiles that were brought into the land during our exile into slavery. They were taught the ways of the lord by the Real Jews. They are considered the lost tribes now. They aren't loss. There slave masters just keep hiding there history by changing there names to African, Moors, black, negro, ebonite, nigga, African Anerican, colored, mexican, hispanic, Latin , etc... We aren't called by our original holy names. We are naved after our slave masters
Last edited by Cousin Skeeter; 04-08-2012 at 01:52 AM.
Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world:
1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)
6. Czech Republic
9. South Korea
10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)
The one that surprised me was Israel, ranking 19th, with up to 37% claiming to be non-believer, atheist, agnostic. Compare that with the United States, ranking 44th, with 3-9% non-believers, atheists, agnostics. (I think I have met them all on the streets of New York City, too.)
The survey concluded that "high levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism. In some societies, particularly Europe, atheism is growing. However, throughout much of the world -- particularly nations with high birth rates -- atheism is barely discernable."
top 10 safest and most peaceful countries are the least relgious.the countries who are most religious are the most volient and has the highest crime rate.
remember men lie women lie number and statics do not! fox news and media says most welfare recpients are black. u.s. statics and numbers claim there are 80 million whites on welfare compare to 18 million of blacks?
Africans among world's most religious people, study finds
top ten most most violent countries in the world. also top ten most religious countries?
top ten most peaceful countries in the world? also the highest rated far as atheist in the world!
New zeal and
Last edited by 614/706/334; 04-08-2012 at 02:47 AM.
you probably know why those country are the most peaceful? They probably have very strict laws, my dad when he was in the military got stationed over in Iceland,and he was telling me stories about how folks would go into grocery stores and could leave their kids outside with out fear of anything happening to them. I don't think that has anything to do with religion and those statistics could be a coincidence.
What exactly is your stand anyways? one moment your saying you do believe in GOD, but then go on to show videos of statistics of countries,who are supposedly 'safer" because of the Disbelief in the same thing you say you believe in?
Folk have and will continue to do bad things in the name of God, it happened back in the time of Jesus with the Pharisees and Jesus stayed "sonning" them for it, cause he knew what they were about.
Still doesn't change the facts Jesus is the way the truth and the light. if you choose to do the things your way and continue to let peoples opinions etc. etc. sway you in your belief in him,well friend that's all on you
My problem with Christianity is ^^ that right there. He's "the way" ?? What did the millions upon millions of people that existed BEFORE Christ supposedly walked the Earth do?? They all got sent to Hell? Or was Hell and Heaven created with Christ? If so did people just float in space limbo when they died? How can something be the "end all, be all" if it's not at the beginning of, well, anything except itself?
I literally stood in front of a wall in Jerusalem that pre-dates Christ's existence by over 1000 years.
This is what's left of the wall that was built 1500 BC and stood til around 150 AD.
Last edited by Vice Gripp; 04-08-2012 at 10:46 PM.
Jesus was preached about throughout the entire bible. He was always the way. Christ is the word and the world has always been around. He just wasn't always flesh and blood
cousin do you believe in any of the gods that came before christ? if not why
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I agree! and that's what i am wondering? what did god do to the people that existed before Jesus! think about it?
man was way more sinful After christ was born than before he was born. if god was going to destory the human race because of our wickness. he would of been done it because man is even more evil and wicked than AFTER CHRIST WAS BORN! So you mean God didn't see the good in man before christ was born? God had many faithful good servants before christ was born? they didn't know or believe in jesus what happen to them?
what about the people in 3rd world nations where christian is ban. they never heard or read about jesus. they might be in there teens, early 20's or late 30's. so they are going to hell for not knowing about it. just like people in america do not know about Islam or budda or Hinduism.
In ancient Jewish belief, the dead were consigned to Sheol or the grave, to which all were sent indiscriminately (cf. Genesis 37:35; Numbers 16:30-33; Psalm 86:13; Ecclesiastes 9:10). Sheol was thought of as a place situated below the ground (cf. Ezek. 31:15), a place of darkness, silence and forgetfulness (cf. Job 10:21). By the third to second century BC, the idea had grown to encompass separate divisions in sheol for the righteous and wicked (cf. the Book of Enoch), and by the time of Jesus, some Jews had come to believe that those in Sheol awaited the Resurrection of the dead either in comfort (in the bosom of Abraham) or in torment.
By at least the late rabbinical period, Gehenna was viewed as the place of ultimate punishment, exemplified by the rabbinical statement "the best of physicians are destined to Gehenna." (M. Kiddushin 4:14); also described in Assumption of Moses and 2 Esdras. The term is derived from ge-hinnom, a valley near Jerusalem originally used as a location for human sacrifices to the idol Moloch:
here is where hell originated from? this makes the most since out of all the religous if you ask me. here is where the confusion starts!
With the rise of the cult of Osiris during the Middle Kingdom the “democratization of religion” offered to even his humblest followers the prospect of eternal life, with moral fitness becoming the dominant factor in determining a person's suitability. At death a person faced judgment by a tribunal of forty-two divine judges. If they led a life in conformance with the precepts of the Goddess Maat, who represented truth and right living, the person was welcomed into the Two Fields. If found guilty the person was thrown to a “devourer” and didn't share in eternal life. The person who is taken by the devourer is subject first to terrifying punishment and then annihilated. These depictions of punishment may have influenced medieval perceptions of the inferno in hell via early Christian and Coptic texts. Purification for those who are considered justified may be found in the descriptions of “Flame Island”, where they experience the triumph over evil and rebirth. For the dammed complete destruction into a state of non being awaits but there is no suggestion of eternal torture; the weighing of the heart in Egyptian Mythology can lead to annihilation. Divine pardon at judgement was always a central concern for the Ancient Egyptians.
Modern undertsanding of Egyptian notions of hell is based on six ancient texts: The Book of Two Ways (Book of the Ways of Rosetau), The Book of Amduat (Book of the Hidden Room, Book of That Which Is in the Underworld), The Book of Gates, The Book of the Dead (Book of Going Forth by Day), The Book of the Earth and The Book of Caverns.
meaning god will judge a man according to his heart and lifestyle not his reg lion!
heaven exists way before jesus! pay attention!
Main article: Aaru
In Ancient Egyptian faith, belief in an afterlife is much more stressed than in ancient Judaism. Heaven was a physical place far above the Earth in a "dark area" of space where there were no stars, basically beyond the Universe. According to the Book of the Dead, departed souls would undergo a literal journey to reach Heaven, along the way to which there could exist hazards and other entities attempting to deny the reaching of Heaven. Their heart would finally be weighed with the feather of truth, and if the sins weighed it down their heart was devoured.
or the Egyptian reed fields, are the heavenly paradise, where Osiris ruled after he became part of the Egyptian pantheon and displaced Anubis in the Ogdoad tradition. It has been described as the ka (a part of the soul) of the Nile Delta. Only souls who weighed exactly the same as the feather of the goddess Ma'at were allowed to start a long and perilous journey to Aaru, where they would exist in pleasure for all eternity. The ancient Egyptians believed that the soul resided in the heart. Those whose heart did not match the weight of the feather of Ma'at due to their sins were excluded. They were said to suffer a second death when devoured by another being, Ammit, while still in Duat for judgment
Maat or ma'at (thought to have been pronounced *[muʔ.ʕat]), also spelled māt or mayet, was the ancient Egyptian concept of truth, balance, order, law, morality, and justice. Maat was also personified as a goddess regulating the stars, seasons, and the actions of both mortals and the deities, who set the order of the universe from chaos at the moment of creation. Her (ideological) counterpart was Isfet.
According to Christan (western religious) and Muslims (southern religions) atheists and countries are the most wicked and sinful people to be around and they have no peace! I believe in Jay-Z now when he says religion keep people divided! but he still a punk ass devil worshiper and hate him!
everybody believes in a higher power athiests or reglious! you know people pray,mediate and worship in those top 10 atheists countries too. but they are not attach to any religion. you know yogi,spirituality and displine! but it kills me to hear people say Jesus has blessed this country and made it the greatest country on earth because of it's christian beliefs.
when in fact America is number 82 of the 140 most safest and non violent countries.
japan is does not believe in christian or islam yet they are ranked in the top 5of most peaceful coutries!
No your problem with Christianity you do not follow God's commanments and you skim thru the god's word. Since the begging of time God showed his ways to man. Since Cain & Able god has given his dos and donts. One slew the other over jealousy. Cain was mad because GOD DIDNT EXECPT HIS WAY OF WORSHIP. Just because God didnt roll the sky back and put 10 dos and donts on stone, doesnt mean mankind never knew god's way. He gave instructions to Adam and Even in the garden. Those were commandments. He always told us right from wrong. We have the same problem today that Adamn and Eve had. We wanna do shit OUR WAY. We wanna trust BS feelings and emotions, rather than trusting God's Way.
As far where did people go when they died in the past? They went to the dirt just like everybody does. They are waiting on Christ to blow the final trumphet to see if there named is sealed in the book of life. All of this is in your bible, but you niggas rather "Guess & wonder", than to actually read and find out the truth for yourself.
First of all Christ is the FIRST BEGOTTON SON.. He is the first creation of God. How can something come before the first creation? The word God means "power". There are many powers in the earth fighting against the one true GOD. For example Ancient Greek religions worshiped different entities/powers (Zeus, Thor, ).. They even tried to turn incorpoerate the likeness of Zeus into Jesus. Now we have the same white Romans tying into there days of idol worship, practicies, and false Gods incorperated in one Religion/culture. Jesus was clear when he said "do not learn the ways of the heathen for they are vain (of no worth)". Easter is a form of pagan worship. Bunny rabbits, eggs, and easter baskets was practiced by pagans during this time of year waaaaaaaaay before Christ came in the flesh.
Last edited by Cousin Skeeter; 04-10-2012 at 11:22 AM.
This might be the first time I've EVER agreed with CS on anything........